Basically research and writing positions. You're experience will vary depending on the judge, and your subject matter will depend on the court that you work on.
* It's a lot of work. wha wha. * Make sure you really want to do this * You can always apply post grad * It's academic -- some people are sick of that * They're here to help
* There are a lot more Dist. ones? Think numbers * This is great for litigation folks -- still lots of research and writing, but get exposure to trial ct process. More interaction with parties (I love parties) * Get to observe lawyering styles
Not much state court opportunities in California --- Cal Sup. Ct. usually hires staff attorneys. Well, I didn't want to work there anyway. (tear)
Oh, important: State application process is completely different. * Some states have VERY early deadlines. Oregon for instance does Spring interviewrs. Washing, Nevada, and Colorado hire early too.
* Law School Transcript (oh shit) and Academic Record * Evidence of writing and oral abilities * Strength of Recommendation Letters (professors and practitioners who've supervised your work). Think about who knows you best, not who has tenure but rather who will TOTALLY go to bat for me? Double uh oh, they care about my demeanor and potential as a lawyer?! * Work Experience and Law School Internships: Some people only hire folks with past PI or Gov't experience
* Judges who usually get 400 or so interviews are now getting like 1600. They interview 10-20, give about 2-4 offers * Note: Number of applications submitted has not been highly correlated with a high number of interviews
People in your Corner: * Him, Eric Biber, Me (not really), Faculty Recommenders, FSU * Your non-faculty recommenders * Other members of the faculty * Professional and Personal Contacts * 3L Future clerks and Alumni clerks
You can create your own opportunities -- kind of like what the 1Ls are going to have to do instead of OCIP next year
Spring Planning Process Stages: * Personal Assessment: Is this something I want to do, where can I live. he basically just told me I can work in a small court in a flyover zone. Even if you have all P's you can get a clerkship in Hell. * Research
* Now: Think about your 3; your writing sample; somehting else * Spring: meet with him, look at the clerkship guide, the materials will be updated early spring * Make "the ask" in the spring. The guide will help us talk about that relationship. * Talk to 3Ls, start reaching out to alumni,
Summer: * Finalize your reserach * They are open during the summer * He does only clerkship advising in the summer * Create OSCAR profile -- why couldn't this be Big Bird, or Snuffelupagus, or somethign with friendly connotations. * Finalize your materials * Share them and your judge list w/ your 3 -- then they can identify judges they know.
JULY 265th: * Faculty and outisde recs should be COMPLETED * Make arrangements w/ outside recommenders for pic-up/delivery of letters. The lawschool does not help with this for outside recommenders. He will help you though
BY Early Aug: * Stuff and Oscar and drop off. They will fedex a whole BOALT box and judge then looks at the entire box. They charge 2$/app.
September: * Mail to arrive on Sept. 7th. * They will have OSCAR online
Week of Sept. 13th: Callbacks (MISERY) * They will help us deal with this period so you strategically schedule your interviews
Places that have previously hired us tend to keep hiring us. But, this years class is really geographically diverse in comparison which should help us out. A huge pool of alumni applied this year
There's like, 20 people here . . . WTF? Joel is a creeper and is sitting next to me. Vomit
ReplyDeleteEric Stern says this is important to the school and like a marathon. I hate sports metaphors. "Put effort in the backend"
ReplyDeleteHe's still doing the marathon metaphor...it's getting awkward
Agenda:
ReplyDelete* Intro
* Process
* Review of CDO Resources
* Timeline
* Questions
What do clerks do?
ReplyDeleteBasically research and writing positions. You're experience will vary depending on the judge, and your subject matter will depend on the court that you work on.
Benefits:
ReplyDelete* Prestige: "Most prestigious job you can get post grad"
Yeah, I believe that. I could be The President after I graduate, or Tom Selleck. Both of those OBVIOUSLY trump clerkship
Real benefits: need to do it for academia, and great for PI fellowships and Gov Honors Progs.
ReplyDeleteThen again, Tom Selleck is obviously a more competitive applicant for those programs as well
Downsides:
ReplyDelete* It's a lot of work. wha wha.
* Make sure you really want to do this
* You can always apply post grad
* It's academic -- some people are sick of that
* They're here to help
Which Boalt graduates want to quickly make sure they have unclean hands?
ReplyDeleteSara Giardina just showed up. She's so cute
ReplyDeleteThis process can be harder for people who have lives (e.g., partners, kids, mortgages). Phew, really cleared that hurdle.
ReplyDeleteSan Fran is really hard to get. FYI.
Grad applicants oftentimes do better than people in school.
ReplyDeleteQuestion: Does LRAP apply?
ReplyDeleteHe lawyer's this. Says that a 1-2 year clerkship does qualify for LRAP under some circs.
Levels of Fed. Courts:
ReplyDelete* US Supreme Court (where I'm going, obviously). There's a P in Supreme but no H -- coincidence? I think not
* Something about IP. Shoot. I think he was saying you should do Appeals Ct. As if you don't already want to do that
* At dist. ct. there are also magistrates, bankruptcy, and these provide similar experiences and are maybe not as hard?
(Bankruptcy is so hot right now)
* Specialy Courts: Immigration Courts, Tax Court, Court of Fed. Claims, Armed Forces, ALJs (DOL) -- Some of these are in the Bay Area
Fed. Dist Court Clerkships: Do I want Ap or Dt.?
ReplyDelete* There are a lot more Dist. ones? Think numbers
* This is great for litigation folks -- still lots of research and writing, but get exposure to trial ct process. More interaction with parties (I love parties)
* Get to observe lawyering styles
Appellate Clerks get to see a lot of writing styles rather than arguing styles.
ReplyDeleteState Courts:
ReplyDeleteYeah, b/c I want to move to freezing, miserable, gay hating Maine.
Uh... I mean...
A lot of people go to Alaska?! Oh yeah, that guys comes and does all his hiring here.
State Sp. Cts, St. Appeals, St. Trials. Can be really interesting. Is that like when you say a joke is funny and brightlinerule it's not funny?
Not much state court opportunities in California --- Cal Sup. Ct. usually hires staff attorneys. Well, I didn't want to work there anyway. (tear)
ReplyDeleteOh, important: State application process is completely different.
* Some states have VERY early deadlines. Oregon for instance does Spring interviewrs. Washing, Nevada, and Colorado hire early too.
QUALIFICATIONS:
ReplyDelete* Law School Transcript (oh shit) and Academic Record
* Evidence of writing and oral abilities
* Strength of Recommendation Letters (professors and practitioners who've supervised your work). Think about who knows you best, not who has tenure but rather who will TOTALLY go to bat for me? Double uh oh, they care about my demeanor and potential as a lawyer?!
* Work Experience and Law School Internships: Some people only hire folks with past PI or Gov't experience
New Drinking Game; Every time he says "Competitive" you have to take a shot
ReplyDeleteStuff about this year:
ReplyDelete* Judges who usually get 400 or so interviews are now getting like 1600. They interview 10-20, give about 2-4 offers
* Note: Number of applications submitted has not been highly correlated with a high number of interviews
Shoot, just got a great email from Leslie and Micah and got off track.
ReplyDeletePaper v. Oscar:
Hmm... graduate applicants can apply early. Brightlinerule, knife graduates.
Elements of the Application: Resume, Cover, Transcript, 3 Letters of Req.
Key ELements: Organization and COmmunication (oh, fail)
ReplyDelete* Early Planning:
* Staying Organized
* Frequent Communication w/ your advocates
* Meeting Important Deadlines
You have to read his emails. It's so sad when they have to beg
People in your Corner:
ReplyDelete* Him, Eric Biber, Me (not really), Faculty Recommenders, FSU
* Your non-faculty recommenders
* Other members of the faculty
* Professional and Personal Contacts
* 3L Future clerks and Alumni clerks
You can create your own opportunities -- kind of like what the 1Ls are going to have to do instead of OCIP next year
DON'T MASS EMAIL ALUMNI. TACK-TACK-TACKY
ReplyDeleteDon't turn off alumni
ReplyDeleteYOU GIVE ME CLERKSHIP NOW!
ReplyDeleteSpring Planning Process Stages:
ReplyDelete* Personal Assessment: Is this something I want to do, where can I live. he basically just told me I can work in a small court in a flyover zone. Even if you have all P's you can get a clerkship in Hell.
* Research
Meet with him at least 2 times in Spring. MEET WITH HIM. Seriously. Will help not ruin your summer -- you can ruin your summer yourself
ReplyDelete"IT HAS A HUGE APPENDIX"
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what we're talking about but that's pretty funny
ReplyDeleteThere's a bunch of guides and materials, you should go find them. All the deadlines, salary stuff, etc. is there.
ReplyDeleteThere is a guide to OSCAR, a new clerkship database, interview evals, etc.
How is it already 1:30. Vomit
Start sleeping with 3L people who already have clerkships -- then hold it over them
ReplyDeleteDid he just explicitly endorse bribery???
ReplyDeleteFall of 2010 they'll start doing interview mock stuff. I assume that means that they bring in alumni clerks who mock my application and social skills.
ReplyDeleteThe powerpoint will be on the website.
ReplyDeleteTIMELINE:
ReplyDelete* Now: Think about your 3; your writing sample; somehting else
* Spring: meet with him, look at the clerkship guide, the materials will be updated early spring
* Make "the ask" in the spring. The guide will help us talk about that relationship.
* Talk to 3Ls, start reaching out to alumni,
Summer:
* Finalize your reserach
* They are open during the summer
* He does only clerkship advising in the summer
* Create OSCAR profile -- why couldn't this be Big Bird, or Snuffelupagus, or somethign with friendly connotations.
* Finalize your materials
* Share them and your judge list w/ your 3 -- then they can identify judges they know.
JULY 265th:
* Faculty and outisde recs should be COMPLETED
* Make arrangements w/ outside recommenders for pic-up/delivery of letters. The lawschool does not help with this for outside recommenders. He will help you though
BY Early Aug:
* Stuff and Oscar and drop off. They will fedex a whole BOALT box and judge then looks at the entire box. They charge 2$/app.
September:
* Mail to arrive on Sept. 7th.
* They will have OSCAR online
Week of Sept. 13th: Callbacks (MISERY)
* They will help us deal with this period so you strategically schedule your interviews
Places that have previously hired us tend to keep hiring us. But, this years class is really geographically diverse in comparison which should help us out. A huge pool of alumni applied this year
ReplyDeleteFaculty is making a lot more phone calls on our behalf, it's becoming part of our institutional culture, hurray.
ReplyDeleteJoel asks some d-bag question about course selection: gunner. He's wearing a striped shirt, and looks like a little boy.
ReplyDeleteFed Courts is important
ReplyDeleteWhy do people open doors to classrooms that way? So annoying
ReplyDelete